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Ford
Jan 28, 2012 8:23:31 GMT
Post by expressflight on Jan 28, 2012 8:23:31 GMT
Where on the SEN website did you see this displayed? The only Departure information I know of is on their homepage and that is generated externally by Flightstats I believe.
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Ford
Jan 28, 2012 9:00:13 GMT
Post by Tagron on Jan 28, 2012 9:00:13 GMT
Yes it was on the Departure/Arrival display on the SEN website homepage. Following the Live Airport Tracker link brings up a significant disclaimer where the the information generator admits to an incomplete coverage of European airlines. It seems to work satisfactorily for the Aer Arann flights, but perhaps it does not know about Jet2 ? And did that Germania flight "ST1" actually exist ?
Also it still refers to SEN as Southend Municipal Airport. Maybe SEN management should give some more thought to this feature !
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Ford
Jan 30, 2012 9:14:14 GMT
Post by expressflight on Jan 30, 2012 9:14:14 GMT
It looks as if Germania are already providing Ford with CGN-CRA flights under the flight number ST1. This is shown today as departing CGN at 1135L with arrival CRA at 1505L, aircraft type A319. Perhaps a stored flight plan has already been prepared for later use showing the SEN-CGN sector and this was filed in error last week.
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Ford
Feb 3, 2012 17:20:34 GMT
Post by movementman on Feb 3, 2012 17:20:34 GMT
I have been told that Germania/Ford will start a flight to Istanbul as soon as the new runway comes into use (March 8th) it will depart on Monday mornings at approx 0730L probably March 12th for the 1st flight it will carry approx 100pax & will return on Friday evenings it will be operated with A319 & or B737-700 equipment.
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Ford
Apr 5, 2012 8:53:41 GMT
Post by Tagron on Apr 5, 2012 8:53:41 GMT
I suspect that the start of the Germania Ford DUS/SAW flights was put back to April 10 to take account of the Easter holiday. But I see from the Germania arrivals/departures page there is a Germania flight SAW-SEN today (Thursday), STA SEN 1730.
As Expressflight notes the Thursday SAW and DUS no longer appear. It would seem Thursday is now the only weekday without Germania flights at SEN this summer.
It is hard to summarise the planned schedule because the website shows only days, not times. However, the main programme running through May to October consists of: Monday - 3 arrivals, 3 departures Tuesday - 3 arrivals, 2 departures Wednesday - 1 departure Friday - 1 arrival, 3 departures
Then there is the short term series, end-April thru end-May: Monday - 3 arrivals, 1 departure Tuesday - 1 departure Friday - 3 arrivals.
It's possible I suppose that some of these destinations will be linked and hence the number of movements will be less than above, but then presumably there will be positioning flights too. Even so it looks a substantial programme - it will be interesting to see if it all operates.
The other interesting point is that the only CGN flights shown are May 8 to June 18, arrival Monday departure on Tuesdays. There's no mention of Craiova.
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Ford
Apr 5, 2012 10:23:57 GMT
Post by expressflight on Apr 5, 2012 10:23:57 GMT
A useful analysis there Tagron, but did you mean three departures, rather than arrivals, on a Friday for the short series?
I wonder if CGN is shown as starting on Tuesday 8 May because Monday 7 May is a Bank Holiday and thereafter it will perhaps operate on the Monday. Odd that there is no return flight shown for Fridays though.
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Ford
Apr 5, 2012 11:11:38 GMT
Post by Tagron on Apr 5, 2012 11:11:38 GMT
Expressflight you are right, I should have said 3 departures on Fridays,though presumably there will be inbound positioning flights! And there is even a fourth departure (TXL) for part of April/May on Fridays.
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Ford
Apr 8, 2012 10:06:02 GMT
Post by Tagron on Apr 8, 2012 10:06:02 GMT
The Germania Arrivals/Departures webpage shows a DUS-SEN-SAW-DUS rotation for Tuesday 10th Apr, but nothing for Wednesday 11th.
Perhaps this means that the SEN-SAW is really still one a week each way (Monday outbound, Friday return) which may operate on different days of the week to take account of public holidays ? The Germania website is just not clear - maybe their planned charter schedule is just a general guide. Time will tell.
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Ford
Apr 10, 2012 11:31:59 GMT
Post by expressflight on Apr 10, 2012 11:31:59 GMT
The Germania site certainly continues to baffle me. The aircraft to operate the SEN-SAW this morning arrived from DUS but I assume this was just an empty positioning flight. I suppose technically it was a DUS-SEN sector for Ford so it ticked that box on the Germania charter timetable, but hardly worth putting there in the first place surely. The website now shows SEN-DUS as Mon & Fri only and DUS-SEN as Mon only, with flights operating wef 13.4.12 - perhaps simply the SAW arrival departing empty to DUS this Friday. As for SEN-SAW, I assume there won't be a flight tomorrow so why is this still shown on the website I wonder. Perhaps it really means Mon OR Tue OR Wed on any particular week - Wed 6.6.12 will be the first working day of that particular week. Anyone have any thoughts on all this?
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Ford
Apr 10, 2012 17:14:37 GMT
Post by Tagron on Apr 10, 2012 17:14:37 GMT
I am beginning to think we have been applying the logic of a scheduled service timetable and the reality may be somewhat different.
It does seem that positioning flights are already shown. It may be that all those "extra" flights to/from different airports in May are nothing more than alternative aircraft sourcing for SEN-SAW and SAW-SEN, and on those days the DUS aircraft will not be used.
Likewise it is becoming clearer that the midweek flights are planned only to avoid public holidays. I agree, the flights on the website may be alternative, not incremental.
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Ford
Apr 10, 2012 17:20:16 GMT
Post by Welkyboy on Apr 10, 2012 17:20:16 GMT
Surely these are charter flights for Ford personnel and therefore will operate only when Ford co. want them, general public cannot book unless employed or associated with Ford
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Ford
Apr 13, 2012 8:09:07 GMT
Post by Tagron on Apr 13, 2012 8:09:07 GMT
Another explanation has occurred to me of the flights shown on the Germania website "timetable".
The rotation on Monday 16 April is is DUS-SEN-SAW-DUS. The timetable shows the three separate sectors, but it additionally shows SEN-SAW-DUS as a SEN-DUS flight. Why this is happening is not clear, presumably it is some function of the computer processing of their operational plan for the website, but it appears to fit. It would help to explain all those apparently additional flights in May
So on April 23, where there appears to be a SEN-STR flight, there may be no such direct flight, only DUS-SEN-SAW-STR.
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Ford
Apr 13, 2012 15:00:10 GMT
Post by movementman on Apr 13, 2012 15:00:10 GMT
Germania are using a B737-700 on todays Istanbul flight for the first time.
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Ford
Apr 15, 2012 10:44:00 GMT
Post by expressflight on Apr 15, 2012 10:44:00 GMT
It seems pretty clear now that all the 'flights' shown on the Germania website are simply positioning/depositioning sectors linked to the existing SAW and the CGN flights wef 7th May. How odd that they should have bothered to put those sectors on a public access part of their website.
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Ford
Apr 17, 2012 8:55:08 GMT
Post by Tagron on Apr 17, 2012 8:55:08 GMT
The Southend-Cologne-Craiova and return rotations have now appeared on the Germania website.
SEN departures are shown as Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday, and arrivals on Wednesday and Friday plus an extra inbound from CGN on Mondays.
In view of our recent difficulties in understanding the Germania website I guess we have to look on this as just one flight per week in each direction, the day of the week being adjusted to take account of public holidays.
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