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KLM
Jul 20, 2008 19:50:14 GMT
Post by blackbuck on Jul 20, 2008 19:50:14 GMT
what are loads like on the AMS route?
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KLM
Jul 21, 2008 12:46:15 GMT
Post by huytiger on Jul 21, 2008 12:46:15 GMT
Last two flights last night each had over 70 on them.
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KLM
Jul 21, 2008 16:14:00 GMT
Post by Humberside on Jul 21, 2008 16:14:00 GMT
Monthly passenger figures are generally just over 12000. The 4th daily flight doesnt seem to have generated many extra passengers but does stick around with the odd break for a few weeks every now and then
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KLM
Jul 21, 2008 19:21:27 GMT
Post by pug on Jul 21, 2008 19:21:27 GMT
The teatime outbound looked well yesterday, as did the ABZ i think around 20 on board.
I cant understand the doom and gloom, surely with numbers like these HUY can weather the storm and come out in a better position the other side? Your views please?
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KLM
Jul 21, 2008 19:54:21 GMT
Post by Humberside on Jul 21, 2008 19:54:21 GMT
With oil prices being so high and more North Sea Oil reserves being opened up as a result I would hope ABZ is doing well, and AMS too.
Certainly I think both ABZ and AMS should be fine, and even if they struggle, it would be easy to trim a bit of capacity by dropping a flight or using a smaller aircraft in the case off KLM, rather than axing completely.
KLM seem to be fairly resiliant to problems at the moment and I am not aware of any major capacity reductions they have planned. While traditional airlines will feel the effects, LoCo's will feel it far more and other airports, sadly for them, are likely to loose a lot more than us as a result of the current problems
However ABZ and AMS cannot keep an airport going and the serious charter losses need to be replaced by whoever the new owners will be. Easier said than done but two core routes alone don't pay the bills. I hope any new owner has a long term vision and can offer airlines and tour operators long term deals with the profits coming in later years
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KLM
Jul 21, 2008 20:33:01 GMT
Post by pug on Jul 21, 2008 20:33:01 GMT
Well i can tell you, the investment should be big in people as much as anything else. The airport needs to be a complete 24 hour operation, some will say a big reason we lost XL (airport closed when a delayed due in no fire cover etc) One would hope a marketing team for said buyer would be outgoing and crucially based at HUY with HUY's interests at the very top of the lists though connections to all the major and niche players a must.
The charter losses sustained are down to DSA as the biggest tour operator force TOM have a base there. I believe that gaining a based operator year round like LS would go some way to resolve this. A seat share to the major tour operators with Jet2 holidays becoming a big player in the local cities and towns in terms of advertising and ease of booking. The opening of Humberside airport specialist shops would help no end in this. TCX seem to be showing a slight glimmer of hope, we muct not forget these are tough times for everyone and i hope it wont last long.
As an aside i happen to have a friend working as an offshore geologist often helping the energy and oil companies find new patches. Said person found, after months of work in the north sea (subsequently finding a substantial untapped gas field) that this same gas supplier had upped his account on return home due to 'dwindling natural gas supplies in the north sea'. Media sensationalism certainly does not help matters.
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KLM
Jul 21, 2008 21:12:22 GMT
Post by Humberside on Jul 21, 2008 21:12:22 GMT
HUY based marketing people would be a very good start, and a good team of people too with a proven track record. Could be worth paying that bit extra for
DSA can't be blamed for all the charter losses, an in particular the Thomas Cook cutbacks. The general decline in charters due to the LoCos has been the biggest factor. Thomas Cook are providing hope in winter but are cutting back in summer just as much as First Choice/Thomson. However the winter commitment does provide hope that summer could be increased again
Jet 2 would be very nice but their finances aren't the best and I dont see them opening new bases anytime soon. My ideal option would be Monarch doing a split between charters and a couple of scheduled routes, but Monarch Scheduled sticks to the larger airports sadly
Airport travel agents in the likes of Hull etc would help to promote the airport more and gain more business but it could also loose the support of existing independent travel agents who may loose sales and customers as a result
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KLM
Aug 22, 2008 19:48:52 GMT
Post by john2408 on Aug 22, 2008 19:48:52 GMT
The 4th AMS flight is back from 23/08
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KLM
Feb 10, 2009 18:50:37 GMT
Post by pug on Feb 10, 2009 18:50:37 GMT
Aviador on the Uk-Airport-Forum claims to have heard an advert on the Leeds station Radio Aire for KLM. The strange thing is that they advertised world-wide destinations from Humberside with no mention of Leeds.
Reflection of poor sales or a wrong advert distribution?
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KLM
Mar 4, 2009 1:01:08 GMT
Post by pug on Mar 4, 2009 1:01:08 GMT
A post on Pprune says that KLM are to replace all of their 15 F100's with ten E190's and five F70's from 'regional'.
Apparantly the remaining 12 F50's are to go and their routes will be replaced with the newer F70's while some of the current F70 routes will be replaced by the E190.
I wonder if we will see them here regularly afterall?
Also heard another reason for KLM's decision to commit to HUY. The reason being that they can come out of the airway at Skegness and drop straight in which is convenient and considerably cheaper in fuel than to even fly to Doncaster. Or so i am lead to believe...
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KLM
Aug 10, 2009 23:07:43 GMT
Post by pug on Aug 10, 2009 23:07:43 GMT
Poster on dried plum forum claims that KLM HUY contract up for renewal this year and DSA are trying to grab it. Not sure how true that is as i was told it was only signed for 5 years last year.
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KLM
Aug 11, 2009 11:51:37 GMT
Post by Humberside on Aug 11, 2009 11:51:37 GMT
I'm sure DSA are always trying to attract KLM. Indeed their business development people wouldnt be doing their job if they werent
The AMS service is well established at HUY, and almost all off it's traffic comes from the Humber region and places closer to HUY than DSA. While money can talk, HUY has these advantages over DSA
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KLM
Aug 11, 2009 15:05:04 GMT
Post by pug on Aug 11, 2009 15:05:04 GMT
Very true A-H, would be interesting to see what happens with Jet2 and DSA now that FR have announced LBA as their new base... I suspect this may have an impact on FR's DSA and MME operations.
KLM are highly unlikely to go anywere, particularly as there has been over 30 years of continuous service between HUY and AMS, the market is strong and the companies with power have made there feelings very clear to KLM and to top it off we are still deep in a recession. Why on earth would it move to an airport that is in a far worse location than SZD which was pulled during the last major slump within the airline industry.
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KLM
Aug 12, 2009 12:42:47 GMT
Post by Humberside on Aug 12, 2009 12:42:47 GMT
Look North just said AMS flights will be scaled back this winter. Not showing on airport timetable, but no idea how up to date that is
It has to be said the passenger figures dont currently support 4 daily flights
EDIT - KLM Online Timetable shows 4th daily flight axed
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KLM
Aug 23, 2009 20:48:03 GMT
Post by john2408 on Aug 23, 2009 20:48:03 GMT
The airport A/D are showing 4 flights to AMS for Monday.
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