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Post by Humberside on Dec 7, 2010 18:28:32 GMT
Following on from a discussion I have read on pprune, I've looked and seen the A319 has a theoretical range of just over 2000nm, depending on engine from a 1750m take off distance at sea level in a typical 2 class configuration www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/files/other/media_object_file_2009-All-About-A320Family-Tech-appendices.pdfThis then means that theoretically an A319 could reach Tel Aviv, the Canaries and Moscow non-stop from SEN www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=2000nm%40SENIn reality is this an accurate reflection of how far an A319 could get from SEN? While I know very little about the technical side of things I appreciate it's not as simple as looking on a graph and plotting a map in 5 minutes like I have just done As a contrast this is map shows the above with a theoretical 1500nm range. This still includes parts of Russia, Istanbul, Tunisia, Maderia and Iceland. Is this more realistic of how far an A319 could go from SEN? www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=1500nm%40SENAnd how much would a 1-class plane (i.e. more passengers) alter the range compared to the 2-class plane used in the Airbus calculations Finally how much difference would there be if the A319 was swapped for an B737-700 Thanks
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Post by expressflight on Dec 8, 2010 7:47:31 GMT
You ask such simple questions H !!
The Airbus range graphs are for "a typical 2-class payload", so the TOW for that would probably be lower than for, say, an equivalent Easyjet departure where the passenger load would be likely to be greater as the LoCos look for higher load factors. Secondly, it isn't just the raw TODR which may limit the departure weight, but the second segment climb element to 400ft - the bit after the aircraft has reached 50ft and is out of ground effect and the gear is retracted. If there are obstacles in the climbout area a lower RTOW may need to be applied. At SOU, for example, there is an approved alternative departure procedure on runway 20 which involves an immediate 15° right turn to avoid high ground which would limit RTOW if not applied. A departure on 24 from SEN presents a similar, although less severe, situation.
I would have thought that in the area of 1,000nm to 1,200nm range might be more realistic from SEN as there would be little point in any operator trying to squeeze it to the limit with the potential for a costly tech stop en route in high ambient temperature conditions. In the old days even the Viscounts had sometimes to make a fuel stop en route to places such as Malaga and Tangier, but with today's operating costs needing to be kept to a minimum that would not be acceptable as a frequent requirement.
According to figures I have the B737-700 would have a similar capability as the A319 from SEN, but similar caveats apply and each operator would carry out its own performance analysis and each would quite likely reach slightly different conclusions depending on company SOPs.
I'm certainly no expert on aircraft performance calculations, but I think the above probably gives a reasonably accurate assessment of the situation. I suspect that SEN know the position regarding at least one A319 operator but they're not going to divulge that information at present I'm sure.
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Post by Humberside on Dec 8, 2010 19:15:51 GMT
Thanks for that If anyone's interested within a 1200nm range is Iceland, Romania, Bulgaria, Corfu, Tunisia and Morocco www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=1200nm%40SENWithin a 1000nm range, most of Western Europe can be reached, but Helsinki, Croatia and Sicilly are about the limit. Very little of Northern Africa can be reached www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=1000nm%40SENAnd taking the middle of Expressflight's estinmate, 1100nm, the range limits appears to Minsk, Albania and Northern Morocco. Map isn't the clearest but Corfu may just be within range www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=1100nm%40SEN
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