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Post by kirmingtonuser on Jun 23, 2023 20:50:19 GMT
Air transport movements 377 - EU scheduled 140 Other international 171 Domestic scheduled 66
Terminal passengers 9,128 (5,021 +82%) (no transit passengers).
Aberdeen 899 (845)
Newcastle 21 (28)
Total 920 (873 +5%)
Newquay 25 (288 -91%)
Esbjerg 286 (0)
Amsterdam 6,880 (2,946 +134%)
Oil Rigs 1,017 (728 +40%)
Bristol 0 (33)
Perpignan 0 (73)
Toulouse 0 (80)
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Post by kirmingtonuser on Jun 24, 2023 21:31:15 GMT
The average load on the Amsterdam route was 60.4 passengers compared with 63.4 in March. For comparison,Teesside had an average load of 60.5 compared with 62.1 in March.
The average Aberdeen load was 14.4 passengers compared with 16.2 in March.
The average Newquay load on the single rotation was 12.5. Presumably the NQY/HUY flight flight was lightly loaded on what is regarded as a seasonal route.
Although the passenger numbers were down, the average load on the Esbjerg route was up from 11.1 passengers in March to 11.9, which is month-on-month growth of 7%.
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Post by pug on Jun 24, 2023 22:30:28 GMT
The average load on the Amsterdam route was 60.4 passengers compared with 63.4 in March. For comparison,Teesside had an average load of 60.5 compared with 62.1 in March. The average Aberdeen load was 14.4 passengers compared with 16.2 in March. The average Newquay load on the single rotation was 12.5. Presumably the NQY/HUY flight flight was lightly loaded on what is regarded as a seasonal route. Although the passenger numbers were down, the average load on the Esbjerg route was up from 11.1 passengers in March to 11.9, which is month-on-month growth of 7%. Interesting to see the May figures. How do the number of HUY-AMS flights compare to the same period MME-AMS? |
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Post by kirmingtonuser on Jun 24, 2023 22:41:51 GMT
In April, HUY had 114 Amsterdam flights compared with 134 for MME. The MME figure is based on 188 reported EU scheduled movements less 18 each for Alicante, Faro and Palma.
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Post by pug on Jun 25, 2023 11:22:21 GMT
In April, HUY had 114 Amsterdam flights compared with 134 for MME. The MME figure is based on 188 reported EU scheduled movements less 18 each for Alicante, Faro and Palma. 20 more flights and the average loads are slightly better. Humberside I would suggest is under performing compared to pre-Covid. |
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Post by filton75 on Jun 25, 2023 17:49:06 GMT
Teesside has had over £80 million of public money thrown at it recently so I would hope that they’re keen to promote their services. Unfortunately, Bristow and N Lincs Council don’t seem interested in HUY and I think that this is reflected in the figures for AMS.
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Post by pug on Jun 25, 2023 18:10:37 GMT
Teesside has had over £80 million of public money thrown at it recently so I would hope that they’re keen to promote their services. Unfortunately, Bristow and N Lincs Council don’t seem interested in HUY and I think that this is reflected in the figures for AMS. I know I’m putting myself in a position to get flames here, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the owners and higher level management at HUY are anting to see the back of KLM to focus on an operation more in line with Gloucester.. I really do hope I’m wrong but that’s the impression I’m getting at the moment. |
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Post by kirmingtonuser on Jun 25, 2023 18:43:12 GMT
Norh Lincolnshire Council retained their shareholding with the aim of ensuring that the airport continued to be an economic benefit to the wider region. One would therefore expect them to press strongly for the continuation and possible enhancement of crucial hub routes.
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Post by filton75 on Jun 25, 2023 18:43:23 GMT
It does feel like something is amiss at HUY and the lack of interest by the local media doesn’t help matters either. KLM has had its fair share of problems at AMS with slot restrictions, staffing, etc so let’s hope things improve over the summer.
At least helicopter traffic seems to have picked up recently.
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Post by mrmoose on Jun 25, 2023 18:44:08 GMT
Its not a position to get flamed Pug, there's hardly a positive vibe about the place at the moment, certainly get the impression its, at best, a going concern, with little apparent effort to grow, although I expect the unclear future of DSA is holding it back a little. Im genuinely surprised that TUI haven't announced anything new - I felt a weekly TFS through W23 should have been a given, even if nothing else, but then we have debated these things at length, we all know on here that HUY has the local support and history shows these routes work, but nothing seems to ever change.
HUY was always a strong route for KLM before Covid, I always got the impression one of the best in terms of yield. Could it be that the business/leisure mix on HUY was more business focused than other bases, and its well documented that business travel hasn't returned at the same rate as pre-covid, hence HUY now looking a bit lower in volumes, compared to other routes that might have bounced back quicker? Be good to see HAT pushing more holidays via AMS, especially some of the long haul breaks to US cities rather than via Heathrow or Manchester. Depends if KLM are supressing demand to keep loads around 60-65 per flight at the higher price, or this is a true reflection of demand on the other side of Covid. The fact they have recently added a 4th daily to LBA doesn't suggest HUY is top of the list to get back to 3-daily consistently.
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Post by pug on Jun 25, 2023 19:52:09 GMT
Its not a position to get flamed Pug, there's hardly a positive vibe about the place at the moment, certainly get the impression its, at best, a going concern, with little apparent effort to grow, although I expect the unclear future of DSA is holding it back a little. Im genuinely surprised that TUI haven't announced anything new - I felt a weekly TFS through W23 should have been a given, even if nothing else, but then we have debated these things at length, we all know on here that HUY has the local support and history shows these routes work, but nothing seems to ever change. HUY was always a strong route for KLM before Covid, I always got the impression one of the best in terms of yield. Could it be that the business/leisure mix on HUY was more business focused than other bases, and its well documented that business travel hasn't returned at the same rate as pre-covid, hence HUY now looking a bit lower in volumes, compared to other routes that might have bounced back quicker? Be good to see HAT pushing more holidays via AMS, especially some of the long haul breaks to US cities rather than via Heathrow or Manchester. Depends if KLM are supressing demand to keep loads around 60-65 per flight at the higher price, or this is a true reflection of demand on the other side of Covid. The fact they have recently added a 4th daily to LBA doesn't suggest HUY is top of the list to get back to 3-daily consistently. KLM will be looking at reducing services overall on the back of stringent slot restrictions at AMS, HUY are basically facilitating their own downfall at the moment. The news about LBA gaining a 4th daily service has much bigger implications. It’s truly shocking. As for N. Lincs council, they will be employing a passive approach whilst the morons in Doncaster keep pushing for DSA to reopen. Simply they do not care as long as there is a small profit landing on their lap every year. As is always the case though, when KLM do pull out ( and I fully believe they will if nothing changes) they will be up in arms. Horse bolt stable door closure process to follow, as always far too late. They are blankly refusing to open past the hours of 17:30 even when the flying clubs are applying pressure to do so for their own sake. It absolutely stinks of mismanagement and certain facets of the business are profiting from this approach. I’ve been following the fortunes of HUY for over 30 years, and honestly there was more positivity when DSA opened than there is right now. The only hope at this moment in time is that someone takes an interest and buys Bristow out, and gets shot of the deadwood at the same time. Otherwise, it really is on a road to nowhere fast. |
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Post by flyer on Jun 25, 2023 20:13:46 GMT
Its not a position to get flamed Pug, there's hardly a positive vibe about the place at the moment, certainly get the impression its, at best, a going concern, with little apparent effort to grow, although I expect the unclear future of DSA is holding it back a little. Im genuinely surprised that TUI haven't announced anything new - I felt a weekly TFS through W23 should have been a given, even if nothing else, but then we have debated these things at length, we all know on here that HUY has the local support and history shows these routes work, but nothing seems to ever change. HUY was always a strong route for KLM before Covid, I always got the impression one of the best in terms of yield. Could it be that the business/leisure mix on HUY was more business focused than other bases, and its well documented that business travel hasn't returned at the same rate as pre-covid, hence HUY now looking a bit lower in volumes, compared to other routes that might have bounced back quicker? Be good to see HAT pushing more holidays via AMS, especially some of the long haul breaks to US cities rather than via Heathrow or Manchester. Depends if KLM are supressing demand to keep loads around 60-65 per flight at the higher price, or this is a true reflection of demand on the other side of Covid. The fact they have recently added a 4th daily to LBA doesn't suggest HUY is top of the list to get back to 3-daily consistently. Apparently a certain Manager was quite happy to take full pay during Covid to furnish their house whilst the others were on furlough and the pay never matched the job thereafter. Far be it from me to make judgements but it seems there may be a little bit of short term profiteering going on from some quarters. Passenger service wise, the airport is not in a good place. Ironic given the closure of Doncaster which took all the business in the first place. KLM will be looking at reducing services overall, HUY are basically facilitating their own downfall at the moment. It’s truly shocking. As for N. Lincs council, they will be employing a passive approach whilst the morons in Doncaster keep pushing for DSA to reopen. Simply they do not care as long as there is a small profit landing on their lap every year. As is always the case though, when KLM do pull out ( and I fully believe they will if nothing changes) they will be up in arms. Horse bolt stable door closure process to follow, as always far too late. From my previous posts members will know I share this sense of frustration with HUY. All the publicly expressed hopes for new routes to serve the area have been met with a studied silence from airport management. No attempt to engage. When organisations become detached from the community they serve they become detached from reality and that is dangerous territory. |
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Post by pug on Jun 25, 2023 20:23:59 GMT
Apparently a certain Manager was quite happy to take full pay during Covid to furnish their house whilst the others were on furlough and the pay never matched the job thereafter. Far be it from me to make judgements but it seems there may be a little bit of short term profiteering going on from some quarters. Passenger service wise, the airport is not in a good place. Ironic given the closure of Doncaster which took all the business in the first place. KLM will be looking at reducing services overall, HUY are basically facilitating their own downfall at the moment. It’s truly shocking. As for N. Lincs council, they will be employing a passive approach whilst the morons in Doncaster keep pushing for DSA to reopen. Simply they do not care as long as there is a small profit landing on their lap every year. As is always the case though, when KLM do pull out ( and I fully believe they will if nothing changes) they will be up in arms. Horse bolt stable door closure process to follow, as always far too late. From my previous posts members will know I share this sense of frustration with HUY. All the publicly expressed hopes for new routes to serve the area have been met with a studied silence from airport management. No attempt to engage. When organisations become detached from the community they serve they become detached from reality and that is dangerous territory. The problem is, past attempts at growth have been thwarted mainly by DSA but also in the more distant past with airlines keen to find a niche and failing miserably. Humberside serves a business purpose with KLM and Eastern, but it has a very real opportunity to reclaim the lucrative leisure business that has dissipated over the last 20 years. The only way they will do this is with new management and fresh vision to drive the airport forwards. Forget DSA and whatever the local authorities think they’re doing there.. HUY is open for business, profitable and serves a much larger market than its passenger statistics suggest. If they don’t do something soon the damage will be long term and in some cases irreversible. |
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Post by flyer on Jun 26, 2023 7:29:35 GMT
From my previous posts members will know I share this sense of frustration with HUY. All the publicly expressed hopes for new routes to serve the area have been met with a studied silence from airport management. No attempt to engage. When organisations become detached from the community they serve they become detached from reality and that is dangerous territory. The problem is, past attempts at growth have been thwarted mainly by DSA but also in the more distant past with airlines keen to find a niche and failing miserably. Humberside serves a business purpose with KLM and Eastern, but it has a very real opportunity to reclaim the lucrative leisure business that has dissipated over the last 20 years. The only way they will do this is with new management and fresh vision to drive the airport forwards. Forget DSA and whatever the local authorities think they’re doing there.. HUY is open for business, profitable and serves a much larger market than its passenger statistics suggest. If they don’t do something soon the damage will be long term and in some cases irreversible. Although the underlying issues re HUY remain its looking a little better this week with regards to KLM. Flightradar showing 18 flights as opposed to 16 at MME. Not sure how reliable their figures are though. On another note, I have been unable to find any Transavia connections at AMS with KLM. Temporary due to reported staff shortages maybe. Hope they are reinstated as this code share gives access to many holiday routes. |
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Post by pug on Jun 26, 2023 14:28:15 GMT
The problem is, past attempts at growth have been thwarted mainly by DSA but also in the more distant past with airlines keen to find a niche and failing miserably. Humberside serves a business purpose with KLM and Eastern, but it has a very real opportunity to reclaim the lucrative leisure business that has dissipated over the last 20 years. The only way they will do this is with new management and fresh vision to drive the airport forwards. Forget DSA and whatever the local authorities think they’re doing there.. HUY is open for business, profitable and serves a much larger market than its passenger statistics suggest. If they don’t do something soon the damage will be long term and in some cases irreversible. Although the underlying issues re HUY remain its looking a little better this week with regards to KLM. Flightradar showing 18 flights as opposed to 16 at MME. Not sure how reliable their figures are though. On another note, I have been unable to find any Transavia connections at AMS with KLM. Temporary due to reported staff shortages maybe. Hope they are reinstated as this code share gives access to many holiday routes. I suppose 18 is 2 or 3 flights less than pre covid per week. Still, they do seem to be cancelling flights quite frequently and either bumping the later flight or possibly switching passengers onto the LBA. Obviously this has implications from a booking perspective as if the service becomes unreliable and/or they don’t offer the flexibility they once did, people will simply book elsewhere and go to Manchester or London instead, which is the very thing this KLM service is there for, to provide a viable alternative. |
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