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FlyBE
May 3, 2012 14:36:11 GMT
Post by Humberside on May 3, 2012 14:36:11 GMT
I don't see that it impacts on DSA. Those routes should sustain themselves on Nottingham, Derby and Leicester and surrounding areas
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FlyBE
May 3, 2012 14:39:59 GMT
Post by pug on May 3, 2012 14:39:59 GMT
DSA currently has a seasonal JER service, and no more. So no, it shouldn't impact their current services. What I'm saying is that there is a good chance this could rule out any similar routes from being set up at DSA. It is wrong to expect that Sheffield passengers wont make up those who will be using the flights from EMA currently, and with BE in the future.
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FlyBE
May 3, 2012 14:49:52 GMT
Post by Humberside on May 3, 2012 14:49:52 GMT
I'd be surprised if there was a significant number of Sheffield passengers going to EMA to fly to Edinburgh!
EDIT - You could argue these routes overlap with BE at BHX, but that hasn't stopped Flybe.
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FlyBE
May 3, 2012 15:14:51 GMT
Post by pug on May 3, 2012 15:14:51 GMT
The difference is that to the west of BHX is one of the largest conurbations in the UK. EMA has Nottingham, Derby, Leicester and the M1 on its doorstep, the North-South axis. Therefore Sheffield is well within their target market, as Jet2 have said in the past. WW have themselves had the concern of overlapping routes hence not moving into DSA. DSA shares the same sparse catchment area as HUY to the North and East, and is still quite a treck from Sheffield with or without a link road. I know their announcement about EMA is a preemptive move into a (soon to be vacant?) established market, but they were one of the airlines I would have thought would have been looking at DSA (despite BHD having been pulled due low loads), as I would have thought CDG with its code-share would be the type of route DSA are trying to attract.
As for EDI, probably not; but BHD, CDG and AMS?
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FlyBE
May 3, 2012 16:05:59 GMT
Post by Humberside on May 3, 2012 16:05:59 GMT
The 'core' East Midlands market arond Nottingham, Derby and Leicester should be able to sustain key destinations such as Belfast, Amsterdam and Paris - particuarly as the last two should have connection potential, CDG possibly with an AF codeshare on it. I'm not aware the East Midlands economy is in a depression
Jet 2 and bmi baby may have concerns about overlap - but on the other hand Thomson clearly don't... (and Ryanair don't)
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FlyBE
May 3, 2012 16:33:28 GMT
Post by pug on May 3, 2012 16:33:28 GMT
Ryanair do, thats why they dropped FAO and ALC in favour of their EMA and LBA bases. Anyway this is not the point I am trying to make. All I mean is that it is another airline that will have based at both LBA and EMA since DSA has opened, regardless of their reasons for basing at EMA, it proves that they have the capacity to expand and they have not looked at DSA favourably (clearly). I think like it or not DSA and EMA are pretty much the same market, as is HUY, EMA and DSA.
I dont know what you mean when you mention the East Midlands being in a depression?
Back to the thread subject, and what I had initially meant; clearly Flybe are getting on well with MAG at the moment, with recent growth at MAN and EMA. Perhaps with the new management in place they may get a better offer than what they left the AGP route for last time.
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FlyBE
May 3, 2012 19:59:32 GMT
Post by Humberside on May 3, 2012 19:59:32 GMT
Ryanair do, thats why they dropped FAO and ALC in favour of their EMA and LBA bases. They run TFS from EMA, DSA and LBA I dont know what you mean when you mention the East Midlands being in a depression? It's not - and thats why it should be able to support Flybe at EMA, without relying on Sheffield passengers. Nottingham or Leicester alone are sizeable, important cities. Those cities together, as well as Derby and the various towns in the area should be able to support the BE operation
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FlyBE
May 3, 2012 20:38:52 GMT
Post by pug on May 3, 2012 20:38:52 GMT
Yes and reduced TFS to once weekly, even during summer, a token presence. GRO was on the back of a major deal at GRO.
Im not suggesting at all that the routes will be relying on Sheffield passengers, but it is in no way unreasonable to expect a portion of the passengers will have O&D's in the Sheffield area. Wheras Doncaster has already proven (BHD) that it cannot support certain routes.
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FlyBE
May 3, 2012 20:49:03 GMT
Post by guest on May 3, 2012 20:49:03 GMT
at least ryanair are still there, whether TFS is once a week does it matter?? MON & BE ARE moving into routes that have been served for many years at EMA. at this moment in time, i doubt they'd open a base at DSA
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FlyBE
May 3, 2012 21:19:59 GMT
Post by pug on May 3, 2012 21:19:59 GMT
Whats wrong with 'this moment in time'? And yes its good tbat theyre still there, but it proves the point that DSA cannot generate a sufficient stand alone market.
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FlyBE
May 4, 2012 5:06:09 GMT
Post by elmfield on May 4, 2012 5:06:09 GMT
The population of EMA's 'core'cities and surrounding areas is almost exactly the same as that of South Yorkshire...Back in the 70's EMA sold itself to Sheffielders as their local airport and, with connections to Amsterdam, it was also the local hub. I flew from EMA, via AMS, to Chicago... a seamless experience and better then using Heathrow. DSA has made no real connection in the hearts and minds of Sheffielders ( as was promised by one notable LGO) so a quick trip down the M1 is no problem...to catch the flight to Edinburgh if necesarry!
In its formative days EMA asked Sheffield Corporation to join in with the others... a notable Sheffield Tour Operator (SUT) was already using the airport...but the anti-aviation lobby, whose most notable member was Councillor George Wilson MBE, declared, "we don't want anything to do with an airport"...such is/was the forward looking nature of Sheffield's ruling party!
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FlyBE
Nov 27, 2012 9:51:30 GMT
Post by lbw1 on Nov 27, 2012 9:51:30 GMT
Looks liker the full Summer schedule is now loaded for Jersey - SAT - 4th May until 21st September
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FlyBE
Nov 16, 2013 12:28:50 GMT
Post by lbaspotter on Nov 16, 2013 12:28:50 GMT
It will be interesting to see what happens with the weekly Saturday Humberside-Jersey Dash 8 flights now that they have confirmed there closing the Jersey base as parts of its Job cuts and restructuring of the airline.
With a charter company taking seats on the service it maybe that they might have to look in to getting a replacement airline/aircraft to operate the service.
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FlyBE
Nov 16, 2013 16:32:17 GMT
Post by Humberside on Nov 16, 2013 16:32:17 GMT
Possibly, or Flybe could continue to operate on a w pattern from one of their remaining bases
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FlyBE
Nov 16, 2013 18:16:27 GMT
Post by lbaspotter on Nov 16, 2013 18:16:27 GMT
But that will mean flybe operating quite a few w-legs over the summer weekends. As things stand Flybe already serve summer only flights from JER to non bases at DSA, MME, LTN & BRS. From next year will they be able to add flights to NCL, INV, IOM & ABZ on to yet more non based aircraft doing W-Legs?
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