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Post by Humberside on Apr 12, 2009 17:43:50 GMT
As spotted by lbaspotter, H4U will now be using Pegasus instead of Onur Air
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Post by pug on Apr 26, 2009 15:41:34 GMT
Posted on Pprune that Jet2 are to re-instate certain connections between the UK and LPA... I know its a long shot and could be read completely the wrong way but HUY could do with a W pattern, particularly looking at the success the route has had recently ;-)
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Post by Humberside on Apr 26, 2009 17:29:08 GMT
I would suspect not. It would require a crew change at HUY, and I dont think Jet 2 would do that, unless it was a charter contract and the tour operator paid for it. In which case the tour operator might as well use the likes of Air Europa who have aircraft based in the Canaries and could do it with one set of crew.
Another problem with doing w patterns from the UK to the Canaries is the long flight times. Say an aircraft leaving LBA at 7am flying to LPA then HUY back to LPA then home to LBA. It wouldnt get back into LBA until the early hours which is far from ideal and could affect the yield on the LBA service
A Jet 2 HUY base would solve those problems though ...
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Post by pug on Apr 26, 2009 17:52:20 GMT
Im not sure if i have posted this on here or not. I have been told that European based airlines are now too costly pushing the seat price upto £100 per seat more on some flights. This is due to the poor exchange rate. Add to that the loss of Futura and some others scaling back and HUY loses out due to a lack of based aircraft. I just hope this is being taken into account now and HUY marketing and management are weighing up the risk of having a dominant based operation over a number of different inbopund operators providing the Spannish routes in future.
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Post by john2408 on May 15, 2009 21:41:11 GMT
The LBA forum is reporting thay the Sunday flight to Bourgas is to be shared, inward to LBA. out HUY. not good news, i would have thought with it being 'none euro' it would have sold on its own.
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Post by bmedboy on May 15, 2009 22:37:48 GMT
I don't think anything will come of it, but at least it will be mentioned at the next MAG meeting. I emailed this to PALMAIR and got the following reply;
Dear Mr XXX,
Many thanks for sharing yr thoughts concerning Humberside airport and possible opportunities for Palmair.
Part of the reason why Palmair has survived and at times prospered as a small regional tour operator has been the fact that around 80% of our capacity is sold by the branches of our parent company and it’s taken us 50 years to achieve this ! So to offer flights from another airport where we are completely unknown by both the travel trade and the travelling public would appear a very bold move at a time when the world appears steeped in recession.
Major tour operators will always attack regional flying first when capacity is being cut and I suspect this to be the reason why Thomas Cook has jumped ship and the so called lo-cost presence at’ RAF Doncaster’ will also have a detrimental effect on competing charter flying ex HUY.
The airport is as you know owned by the Manchester Airport Group (MAG) who also own Bournemouth and we enjoy a very close relationship with them so I will discuss your ideas/this scenario with them at our next regular meeting.
Yr kind comments concerning Palmair are flattering and I’m very hopeful that the introduction into service of our Boeing 737-srs 500 (hosted by AEU) will help propel the company into it’s next 50 years.
Thank you for your interest.
Regards
David Skillicorn
Tel ~ 01202 200700
Fax ~ 01202 200724
David.Skillicorn@Palmair.co.uk
From: Mr XXX Sent: 15 May 2009 11:41 To: internet@palmair.co.uk; Mr XXX Subject: HUMBERSIDE
Dear Palmair I am emailing you concerning Humberside Airport. I have watched with interest your operation at Bournemouth Airport, and have been impressed with the complexity of your operation there. You have an excellent reputation as a quality airline, offering 'frills' which so many airlines have deserted. Bournemouth Airport was, a few years ago, around the same size as Humberside in terms of passenger figures. Humberside Airport now handles around 400,000 passengers a year, and is ripe for development in terms of new flight opportunities. I would like to introduce the idea of Palmair establishing a Bournemouth style operation at Humberside. Here is the case; In summer 2009, Humberside will offer charter holiday flights to; Antalya Bodrum Bourgas Dalaman Heraklion Larnaca Palma In years past, Humberside has offered flights to; Alicante Arrecife Corfu Faro Fuerteventura Gerona Ibiza Izmir Las Palmas Malaga Malta Menorca Monastir Paphos Reus Rhodes Tenerife Many of the services that are no longer available, were offered for almost 10 years continuously. Palmair already operate to many of the above destinations from Bournemouth, where there is considerably more competition. Humberside is a wide open market, and the charter market is very well supported. For example, Thomas Cook recently cancelled their winter programme plans for Humberside. This winter they were regularly filling 200+ seat flights to the Canaries. With a smaller aircraft such as the 737-500 that you operate from BOH, HUY would be a very lucrative investment. The nearest competition is Robin Hood Airport, but unlike Humberside, it's main market is low-cost airlines. If Palmair started flying out of Humberside, you would have the whole market to yourselves in terms of full service affordable flights. The Palmair brand is well known, and if you marketed the flights as you do from Bournemouth as package AND flight-only, you can target both markets. I would propose the following; 1 737-500 aircraft based at Humberside year-round, starting Summer 2010 Summer 2010 destinations MONDAY Menorca Gran Canaria TUESDAY Alicante Majorca WEDNESDAY Corfu Rhodes THURSDAY Algarve Lanzarote FRIDAY Tenerife Ibiza SATURDAY Alicante Majorca SUNDAY Malaga Paphos Winter 2010-2011 MONDAY Gran Canaria TUESDAY Tenerife WEDNESDAY Fuerteventura THURSDAY Lanzarote FRIDAY Tenerife SATURDAY Alicante SUNDAY Malaga With enough promotion, Humberside is a great potential investment for PALMAIR. There is much less competiton than at Bournemouth, and PALMAIR's more traditional product would sit very well with the target market. Kind Regards Mr XXX
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Post by Humberside on May 16, 2009 8:13:37 GMT
Worth an email. Sadly for the distribution reasons mentioned I cant see it ever hapenning. At least they sent a sympathetic reply
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Post by pug on May 18, 2009 10:03:18 GMT
A great post Bmedboy, the airport needs an operator to invest in a based unit so that pullouts could be less likely. By most accounts XL made money at HUY, it is clear that HUY has never got close to catering for the demand in the region, most of the flights being full. Its a surprise others havent taken the routes up in leaner times. Apparantly the Monastir flight was the only one to under perform, whatever happened to Malta and Gerona to name just two?
While Palmair have pointed out that it is highly unlikely that they'd be able to operate the routes it is interesting that it will be brought up in the MAG meeting. Interesting to see that they refer to DSA as 'RAF Doncaster', are they more skeptics of the diminishing hype?
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Post by john2408 on Jun 3, 2009 20:10:13 GMT
Good News from Goldtrail, Dalaman flights now from 7/7 to 06/10 and Bodrum 14/7 to 6/10,
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Post by john2408 on Jun 17, 2009 20:11:19 GMT
re bmedroy 15/05 Palmair are to start doing flights from Exeter from this Winter.
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Post by Humberside on Jun 18, 2009 10:29:37 GMT
Interesting move by Palmair, however operating from EXT is sadly a very different scenario to operating from HUY. Obviously EXT's catchment is partly served by Bath Travel shops, reducing the need for third party distribution, and the costs of transporting crews on w patterns to/from base at BOH is a lot cheaper at EXT than HUY
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Post by john2408 on Jul 6, 2009 21:17:59 GMT
Goldtrail are starting flights to Dalaman tomorrow, bodrum starts on the 14th.
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Post by Humberside on Oct 31, 2009 15:29:48 GMT
With the exception of h4u, truly a summer to forget charter wise...
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Post by pug on Oct 31, 2009 18:29:20 GMT
Even worse next year, not much hope for expansion. Surely there is light at the end of the tunnel, how long the tunnel is is anyones guess.
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Post by Humberside on Nov 1, 2009 13:40:06 GMT
Its not much worse next summer, and some months may even be flat (as things stand)
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