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KLM
Sept 12, 2012 11:46:12 GMT
Post by pug on Sept 12, 2012 11:46:12 GMT
That is surprisingly good value. A mate of mine just paid over £500 with Jet2 Holidays for 7 nights in Benidorm flying from LBA.
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KLM
Oct 5, 2012 14:33:38 GMT
Post by kirmingtonuser on Oct 5, 2012 14:33:38 GMT
The Grantham Journal are today advertising a series of short breaks from Humberside Airport, arranged by Omega Holidays. All involve flying to Amsterdam on Fridays, so they must be using KLM. For departures on 7th and 14th December 2012 they are selling 3-day (2 night) trips to the Cologne and Valkenburg Christmas Markets for £349. On 5th,12th,26th April and 3rd May 2013 they have 3-day (2 night) trips to the Dutch bulbfields for £449. All the above include coaching from Schiphol, so, provided that the coach is bigger than a minibus or a taxi, it might result in a Fokker 100 instead of a Fokker 70.
Edit. The numbers from HUY will not be huge as they will probably be using all KLM's departure airports although the Omega website does not spell this out.
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KLM
Oct 5, 2012 20:15:02 GMT
Post by Humberside on Oct 5, 2012 20:15:02 GMT
Good to see, Shame Newmarket don't do the same. Looking on their website they offer holidays from some airports using KLM, but not from HUY
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KLM
Jan 3, 2013 20:24:38 GMT
Post by john2408 on Jan 3, 2013 20:24:38 GMT
Looking at Arr. board on BBC ceefax. HUY was the only small to medium airport with 3 AMS flights today, LBA, CWL NWI and MME only had 2. Must be plenty of passengers too and from HUY,
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KLM
Aug 3, 2013 8:35:42 GMT
Post by kirmingtonuser on Aug 3, 2013 8:35:42 GMT
The (London) Daily Mail has entered the debate about passenger demand for scheduled services from Humberside. Yesterday it carried the following leader.
HOT AIR ON WIND FARMS
Amid great fanfare, Mr. Clegg - the great windbag himself - yesterday opened a £1 billion offshore wind farm which ministers claim will bring about a new 'industrial revolution' in Britain. Really? The turbines - funded by huge UK taxpayer subsidies - were built in Denmark. A French firm manufactured the cables in Germany and Norway and the foundations were made in Holland. Six days a week, three flights land at Humberside Airport bringing in well-paid teams of experts from Sweden and Germany to carry out maintenance. So much for the Coalition's grandiose claims that these money-devouring energy bill-inflating monstrosities will create 30,000 jobs for British workers.
There is certainly a strong case for the U.K. to insist on job creation here as a quid pro quo for using foreign technology. This is because we are also paying the bill in the form of higher energy costs. These higher costs will result in a certain loss of jobs in energy-intensive industries around the U.K. Suggesting that the main purpose of the KLM flights is to bring in wind-turbine maintenance people is rather over-egging the pudding!
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KLM
Aug 3, 2013 15:35:34 GMT
Post by Humberside on Aug 3, 2013 15:35:34 GMT
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KLM
Sept 12, 2013 16:52:36 GMT
Post by mrmoose on Sept 12, 2013 16:52:36 GMT
A quick question regarding capacity on the HUY-AMS flights. When booking online, the seat selection shows that the centre seats of the blocks of 3, and the aisle seat on the 2 seat blocks as not bookable in the first 10 rows. As per link below. www.klm.com/travel/gb_en/prepare_for_travel/on_board/seating_plans/Fokker70.htmAlthough technically the Aircraft has a capacity for 80 passengers, KLM appear to only actually be offering 60 seats for sale on each flight. Has anybody used the service and know if this is correct?
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KLM
Sept 12, 2013 17:18:17 GMT
Post by pug on Sept 12, 2013 17:18:17 GMT
Whenever I've used it this has been the case. I assume this is due to the front being the business class section, but with standardised seating.
Anecdotal of course, but that area has always been full whenever I've used it, obviously except for the seats that are purposefully left empty..
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KLM
Sept 12, 2013 18:31:53 GMT
Post by mrmoose on Sept 12, 2013 18:31:53 GMT
Thanks Pug, had never realised that this was the case, until looking at booking a long haul flight recently via AMS. Unfortunately HUY was not practical in terms of cost and transfer time in AMS, so am going direct from Manchester on this occasion.
When working out the passenger loads last month, AMS carried an average of 56 passengers per flight, a load factor of 70.1% - however this is based on 80 seats, but effectively KLM are reducing it to 60 seats for sale, so actually 93% of the available tickets were sold. It also means that AMS figures cannot really get much higher than they are now unless extra rotations are added, or the "business class" section reduced in size - which sounds unlikely from what you have said. It also makes AMS seem a much stronger route than the figures might suggest at first glance.
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KLM
Sept 13, 2013 15:59:27 GMT
Post by kirmingtonuser on Sept 13, 2013 15:59:27 GMT
This is an interesting development. Possibly business class on HUY flights was introduced at about the time when KLM acquired their fleet of E190's with a business class layout at the front. I could only see 6 rows blanked out on the F70 diagram, which would be a reduction of capacity from 80 to 68. It is a good way of boosting yields during the post-2008 downturn. A typical economy return from HUY to AMS next month costs £139. The business class version costs £859! The further positive for HUY is that if the 2013 trend of rising passenger numbers continues on this route, they will have to introduce an E190.
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KLM
Sept 13, 2013 16:37:39 GMT
Post by mrmoose on Sept 13, 2013 16:37:39 GMT
Even with 68 seats for sale (I must have miscounted!), that still means over the month of July, 80% of available seats were taken - which considering the type of route is pretty good going. Assuming some services are busier than others, this must mean some flights would have operated almost full - especially the weekday first departures. perhaps we could see E190s appearing on some of the busier rotations one day soon?
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KLM
Sept 13, 2013 20:40:43 GMT
Post by kirmingtonuser on Sept 13, 2013 20:40:43 GMT
That is a good point, because with only 68 seats and with voids on Saturdays and August Sundays, total annual capacity will only be about 138,000. Demand is much higher at peak times, so the Monday and Friday flights must be almost at capacity. It is not so long ago that the lunchtime flight was operated by a Fokker 50. I am feeling rather short-changed by these improvements, because on the only occasion that I have arrived in HUY by business class, the aircraft was a Shorts 360, there was no special separation between the seats and the catering was bog-standard plastic!
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KLM
Sept 20, 2013 14:55:40 GMT
Post by kirmingtonuser on Sept 20, 2013 14:55:40 GMT
There is speculation that a fourth weekday rotation may soon be re-introduced.
The 2013 annual total of KLM HUY-AMS passengers is heading towards 115,000. Based on 68 seats, capacity would be about 138,000 and the load factor 83%.
Passenger totals on the route are as follows :
2012 114,385 2011 118,937 2010 113,714 2009 121,094 2008 141,304 2007 137,061 2006 132,744 2005 130,866 2004 131,775
The fourth rotation was introduced in 2006, using a Fokker 50 for 9 weeks. This continued with 2007 35 weeks, 2008 37 weeks, 2009 32 weeks. 2010 was the last year with a fourth rotation (using the larger Fokker 70). This ran 7 days per week for 23 weeks. 2010 may have been the year in which the seat numbers were cut from 80 to 68, as otherwise the loads would have been on the low side. 2009 is a good year to examine, as the Fokker 50 was a single-class aircraft, so there would not have been business class on the route. 121,094 therefore represents a load factor of only 62.6%. The current 83% therefore looks promising as far as additional capacity is concerned. The November figures will be eagerly awaited!
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Oct 1, 2013 16:47:56 GMT
Post by Humberside on Oct 1, 2013 16:47:56 GMT
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Oct 9, 2013 5:56:30 GMT
Post by smogit on Oct 9, 2013 5:56:30 GMT
The 2013 annual total of KLM HUY-AMS passengers is heading towards 115,000. Based on 68 seats, capacity would be about 138,000 and the load factor 83%. Sadly this is not entirely correct the business class area grows and shrinks with demand on a flight by flight basis. Based on flights I've been on (a couple a year out of humberside) the split point is revised at least about a fortnight before the flight, a week before and a couple of days before. So if there is more demand for economy more seats are made available. The only way to know the exact split is to see the final seat layout. I took my last flight out of Norwich, and on that occasion there were only two business class rows reserved. The only difference between business class and economy class, is the increased spacing of the seats and of course the middle or aisle seat is not occupied, this allows the number of rows to be changed easily. (long time reader, first time poster)
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