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Dec 16, 2023 13:43:08 GMT
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Post by pug on Dec 16, 2023 13:43:08 GMT
Thanks for highlighting this possible schedule change. I hope someone on this forum can make sense of the KLM timetable because I am currently confused. The KLM booking engine shows only two flights per day in April 2024 with no afternoon rotation. 14 rotations per week. KLM Flight Status shows only a nightstopper each day in April 2024. 7 rotations per week. November 2024 is fine with the usual three daily rotations. Hopefully they are still working on the timetable and adding flights. The worry is that KLM Flight Status usually starts off with the full complement and then gets reduced by cancellations. Fingers crossed that the Schiphol slot problem is not biting with a vengeance! Yes not looking good as things stand. MME has two flights planned per weekday during the same period, NWI has three. I hope as you say the schedules are still being worked on but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there are cutbacks at Humberside again. EDIT: 3 x daily are on sale in April 24, 2 at weekends. However base fare of £86.00 for most flights which to me seems cheap? Think the times have changed slightly.
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Dec 16, 2023 17:46:22 GMT
Post by mrmoose on Dec 16, 2023 17:46:22 GMT
I would tend to agree times have likely started to change - Surprised its taken this long in all honesty, but with likely covid savings starting to dry up for people perhaps and cost of living/higher interest rates starting to bite for more as fixed mortgages come to an end.
I have booked to go to the states in the spring - until recently VS were coming out at ~3k for a family of 4 for flights alone but we managed to get it for under £1500, albeit that had bit off for black friday - but more akin to pre-covid prices. That said, package prices to the med etc certainly seem to remain significantly above pre-covid prices - Jet2 keep flooding my inbox with various discounts so difficult to tell, but their latest trading statement seemed positive with bookings ahead of last year.
Back to KLM - If we drop to 2x Daily, Although disappointing, I don't think its the end of the world. If you say its attracting ~9000 a month, that's around 150 passengers a day each way - Id rather see 75 per flight and route making a good margin for KLM than ~50 a flight three times a day and it being marginal. I guess if the flights have decent connections to the places that matter, that's the key thing.
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Dec 16, 2023 18:43:10 GMT
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Post by pug on Dec 16, 2023 18:43:10 GMT
I would tend to agree times have likely started to change - Surprised its taken this long in all honesty, but with likely covid savings starting to dry up for people perhaps and cost of living/higher interest rates starting to bite for more as fixed mortgages come to an end. I have booked to go to the states in the spring - until recently VS were coming out at ~3k for a family of 4 for flights alone but we managed to get it for under £1500, albeit that had bit off for black friday - but more akin to pre-covid prices. That said, package prices to the med etc certainly seem to remain significantly above pre-covid prices - Jet2 keep flooding my inbox with various discounts so difficult to tell, but their latest trading statement seemed positive with bookings ahead of last year. Back to KLM - If we drop to 2x Daily, Although disappointing, I don't think its the end of the world. If you say its attracting ~9000 a month, that's around 150 passengers a day each way - Id rather see 75 per flight and route making a good margin for KLM than ~50 a flight three times a day and it being marginal. I guess if the flights have decent connections to the places that matter, that's the key thing. Business travel started to decline a few years before Covid and indeed the travel restrictions from lockdown accelerating use of Microsoft Teams has revolutionised the way people work. Therefore, I would expect services like KLM which is to cater to primarily the business sector will have taken a hit too. However, as I’ve said many times in the past, Humberside serves as a vital hub for those working in the offshore and shipping industry, one of the busiest ports complexes in the UK means that there is a regular changeover of ship crews and they do I believe use the KLM interline facility. I agree that if it does end up at 2x daily then it might not be such a bad thing, so long as they don’t cut to such an extent that it becomes less desirable and people just start using direct services from Heathrow or Manchester instead. Would be nice to think that HUY execs are bending over backwards to ensure they maintain a presence here, but that may just be wishful thinking.
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Dec 17, 2023 20:10:39 GMT
Post by kirmingtonuser on Dec 17, 2023 20:10:39 GMT
The KLM booking engine is now showing 3 flights per day on April 2024 weekdays with 2 on Saturdays (no afternoon arrival) and 2 on Sundays (no morning arrival). 19 rotations per week.
The KLM flight status page still only shows the nightstopper. It is shown as being operated by an E175. If it was the only flight of the day it would surely be upgraded to at least an E190.
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Post by kirmingtonuser on Dec 30, 2023 20:24:04 GMT
January 2024 planned arrivals.
Monday 1st to Sunday 7th 20 (no Saturday afternoon). Monday 8th to Sunday 14th 18 (no Tuesday night, no Saturday afternoon, no Sunday morning), Monday 15th to Sunday 21st 18 (no Friday night, no Saturday afternoon, no Sunday morning). Monday 22nd to Sunday 28th 18 (no Wednesday night, no Saturday afternoon, no Sunday morning). Monday 29th 3 Tuesday 30th 3 Wednesday 31st 3 Total 83 arrivals
Planned January flights = 166 less 1 (no nightstopper departure on 1st) = 165.
KL1482 was cancelled on 4th January. KL1485 was cancelled on 15th January (icing). KL1489 was cancelled on 15th January (icing). KL1493 was cancelled on 15th January (icing). KL1485 was cancelled on 16th January (icing). KL1489 was cancelled on 18th January (operational constraints).
Projected January total for CAA passenger statistics = 154 flights.
KL1545 diverted in on 17th January (runway ice at LBA). KL9956 to AMS. KL1547 diverted in on 21st January (crosswind at LBA). KL9957 to AMS. KL1545 diverted in on 22nd January (crosswind at LBA/Technical). KL9955 to AMS on 23rd.
Projected January revenue flights = 157.
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Jan 17, 2024 15:53:43 GMT
Post by flyer on Jan 17, 2024 15:53:43 GMT
Seanm Twitter reporting KLM are to wet lease two of Eastern's emb aircraft for this summer.One to be based at HUY and one at MME.
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Jan 17, 2024 16:50:36 GMT
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Post by pug on Jan 17, 2024 16:50:36 GMT
Seanm Twitter reporting KLM are to wet lease two of Eastern's emb aircraft for this summer.One to be based at HUY and one at MME. Bad omen in my view.
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Jan 17, 2024 21:16:33 GMT
Post by mrmoose on Jan 17, 2024 21:16:33 GMT
Interesting and unexpected update. Not sure its great news, I guess depends what is behind it from KLMs point of view. Assume this will result in some timetable changes on the route as well, or considerable downtime parked up in AMS from late morning until the tea time rotation, unless it is also to operate on other routes on behalf of KLM.
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Jan 17, 2024 21:51:43 GMT
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Post by pug on Jan 17, 2024 21:51:43 GMT
Interesting and unexpected update. Not sure its great news, I guess depends what is behind it from KLMs point of view. Assume this will result in some timetable changes on the route as well, or considerable downtime parked up in AMS from late morning until the tea time rotation, unless it is also to operate on other routes on behalf of KLM. Well it might be that Eastern have been in discussion with them regarding the impending fleet shortage for some time. After all they are one of the few operators with common types ready to go, similar to the use of the E-jets of the German outfit they’ve been using for some time. Thats the positive take. I would ask though why just Humberside and Teesside? Easy to crew and in the middle yes the aircraft on other rotations? Will HUY still see the afternoon rotation operated by KLM owned units?
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Jan 18, 2024 1:59:11 GMT
Post by permit123 on Jan 18, 2024 1:59:11 GMT
The rumour mentions 8 sectors a day. KLM uk used to base an F100 that did
HUY-AMS AMS-HUY HUY-AMS AMS-HUY HUY-AMS AMS-STN STN-AMS AMS-HUY
Something similar could be possible with the Eastern a/c.
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Jan 18, 2024 8:06:12 GMT
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Post by pug on Jan 18, 2024 8:06:12 GMT
The rumour mentions 8 sectors a day. KLM uk used to base an F100 that did HUY-AMS AMS-HUY HUY-AMS AMS-HUY HUY-AMS AMS-STN STN-AMS AMS-HUY Something similar could be possible with the Eastern a/c. Kind regards Permit123 So far, doing a dummy booking in July it looks like the flight times have changed slightly and there are a planned 3x daily departures with 2 x daily on Saturday. So at the moment a slight increase with the additional Sunday rotation. Looks to me that the plan is to also fly sectors to other U.K. airports, perhaps a mid morning rotation to LBA. In which case KLM might use their own fleet to operate the mud morning or afternoon rotation. I’m hoping this really is just a temporary solution to their own fleet availability problem and normal service will resume in winter 24, does feel a little bit like a sell out though. Eastern aren’t exactly the most reliable outfit these days as their business plan seems to be built on snapping up last minute contracts. Hope I’m wrong on this occasion, they could be a good airline again if they find their niche once again.
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Jan 24, 2024 15:11:13 GMT
Post by kirmingtonuser on Jan 24, 2024 15:11:13 GMT
Looking on the positive side of this development; it should ensure that Humberside is not the victim of KLM's regional aircraft shortage. It is also an endorsement of Eastern's levels of service. Eastern do, of course have experience of operating on behalf of British Airways at London City. Fingers crossed that HUY can continue to dodge the Schiphol slot problem bullet. This now seems to be affecting Cardiff, who will be losing their KLM nightstopper for the duration of the summer timetable.
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Feb 6, 2024 19:02:16 GMT
Post by kirmingtonuser on Feb 6, 2024 19:02:16 GMT
Planned February arrivals are as follows:-
Thursday 1st to Wednesday 7th 19 (no Saturday afternoon, no Sunday morning). Thursday 8th to Wednesday 14th 19 (no Saturday afternoon, no Sunday morning). Thursday 15th to Wednesday 21st 20 (no Saturday afternoon). Thursday 22nd to Wednesday 28th 20 (no Saturday afternoon). Thursday 29th 3.
Total 81, which is 162 movements.
KL1485 cancelled on 7th (technical). KL1485 cancelled on 14th (technical). KL1493 cancelled on 22nd (winds at AMS).
Projected February total movements = 156.
From Monday 26th, KL1489 is shown as being operated by German Airways.
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Mar 13, 2024 22:38:09 GMT
Post by kirmingtonuser on Mar 13, 2024 22:38:09 GMT
Planned March arrivals are as follows:-
20 per week (no Saturday afternoon arrivals) between 1st and 28th.
Friday 29th 3 Saturday 30th 2 Sunday 31st 2 (no morning arrival).
Total 87 rotations which is 174 flights.
KL1493 was cancelled on 13th (technical). KL1485 was cancelled on 24th (high winds at AMS).
Projected March flights 170.
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Mar 14, 2024 18:02:16 GMT
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Post by pug on Mar 14, 2024 18:02:16 GMT
7369 passengers in January, not sure of how many actually operated but cased on KirmingtonUsers projected Jan sectors of 157 that would be an average load of 47 or load factor of around 56 if I got that right?
Of course I seem to recall a number of cancellations which would increase that figure.
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